Erhet’s documentary (part 2 I believe) talks about the Nazi flying machines, and also about how German engineers were transferred to America (via Operation Paperclip for example) and began working on secret projects for the U.S. gov.
This is the likely source of many UFO sightings. Many of the sightings occured near U.S. militarty bases.
The central theme of our epoch is that of all history -- the fate of man. What is taking place in the world today is not a crisis of humanism (that is a topic of secondary importance), but the crisis of humanity. We face the question, is that being to whom the future belongs to be called man, as previously, or something other? We are witnessing the process of dehumanization in all phases of culture and of social life. Above all, moral consciousness is being dehumanized. Man has ceased to be the supreme value: he has ceased to have any value at all. The youth of whole world, communist, fascist, national-socialist or those simply carried away by technology or sport -- this youth is not only anti-humanistic in its attitudes, but often anti-human. Does this mean that we should defend the old humanism against today's youth? In many of my books I have called attention to the crisis in humanism, and tried to show that it inevitably develops into anti-humanism and that its final stage is a denial of man. Humanism has become powerless and must be replaced. Humanism bound up with the renaissance of antiquity is very frail; its development implies an aristocratic social order and democracy has dealt it terrible blows, with the masses and the power of technology breaking into cultural life. The machine dehumanizes human life. Man, desiring no longer to be the image of God, becomes the image of the machine.
When talking about 'psychological frameworks' please also consider that the one we most all ignore is money itself.
However, connect these dots. We are not going to get much from our challenges of 'authority' if we do not challenge the systems they have installed.
In ancient times the temple priests told the peasantry who came to make their offerings to God that the offerings brought by the peasants were not acceptable to God. The priests told the people they needed to take the coins, that only the priests issued, and leave the Real Goods that the peasants had brought to the temple with the priests, go lay the coins on the altar because that was acceptable to God, and then go home.
The original claims of 'authority' about ‘money’ by the temple priests is where the eventual claim of authority about money by government originated.
But the claim of 'authority' is nonsense, and so is the system of money itself; since what is real is the wealth of a people, and money is made up nonsense that the people have been told is real (acceptable to god). It's a long history of lies and deception. It is like unto the miss use of genuine authority as egregious as telling kids lies!
We are not going to get out of this mess while using the very system instituted ages ago to enslave and deceive and steal.
Now every country is using this 'operating system' for control of the populace within its borders (as if that is not bad enough!) ...trouble is that the fighting between countries is so illiterate that countries are going to war over nonsense conceptual make believe!
We are killing each other over monetary illiteracy!
“When "Christians" justify financial "planning" they often refer to 2 Corinthians 9:8: "And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. As it is written, “He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever.”
But the context of 2 Corinthians 9:8-15 is to be found in:
9:10 "For God is the one who provides seed for the farmer and then bread to eat. In the same way, he will provide and increase your resources and then produce a great harvest of generosity in you."
As for "money" and getting returns on it as in financial investment Jesus tore down the money lenders tables 3 days prior to being crucified as a terrorist.
“Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:24b-25
" No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Matthew 6:24
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Timothy 6:10.
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” 6:19-21
When asked about taxes: "Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” 21 They said, “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard it, they marveled. And they left him and went away." Matthew 22:17-22
The other key point is that interest on money is considered evil throughout the Bible over and over again.
Leviticus 25:36 - Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you
Ezekiel 18:8 - does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man,
Ezekiel 18:17 - withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father’s iniquity; he shall surely live.
Deuteronomy 23:19 - “You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
So, money is not of God but of whose insignia is printed on it (Matthew 22) The riches God provides is therefore not of "money" but the productive power of nature i.e. seeds (2 Corinthians 9). We cannot serve two masters God and money (Matthew 6:24). In all finance today money is the master and "multiplying" returns is the method. But do you know how that system operates? Do you know that because of that system 0.0001% of the population or less command the resources produced by the rest of us (/99.999...%) and with that they are directly having those resources spent on wars and genocide?”
The only thing to be done is to recover our own labor, plant our own seeds, build out of the earth our earthy houses, form community with people we know and like, return to what has been lost and stolen.
The "only thing to be done" runs the risk of repetition of the same old mistakes if one does not study how all that happened.
Marc Gauvin teaches:
“The misrepresentation of money by everyone created the possibility of systemic leverage with overhead cost. That leverage then affects how and what rate real world human and material resources are used in terms of it. Individual leverage overhead cost can be transferred between system components strategically by individuals applying leverage over others but in doing so, total system leverage overhead and therefore demand for leverage increases. This is exactly what is going on.
This dynamic has been going on since before Babylon: the main difference only being the extent and homogeneity across the globe, where now it is virtually universal.
So, the problem is that humanity has come to depend on an unsustainable "system" for its survival and has lost memory of how to survive otherwise. How to fix this?
Core normative requirements:
1) The misrepresentation of money i.e. measure of value must be corrected.
2) Survival must be attained solely in real world terms and imperatives.
3) Social integration must become organically optimal and agile.
The term I would use to label this process is "frugal abundance", whereby the per capita human cost of providing abundant maximum quality of life for all individuals becomes a fraction (< 50%) of the average human cost of merely persisting in society under money's misrepresentation. This then presents a trade-off whereby resources for autonomous personal development is maximised but realised over secure high quality life support.
See linked below a key presentation summary of a fully fleshed out project to achieve critical point 1) above: “
Basically, I do not see Gauvn providing a solution that does not require an INCREASE in technocratic surveillance. Broad use BIBO currency, as I understand him to describe, requires computers keeping track of everything. To me that is no solution and I hope I have misunderstood.
That is why I refer to becoming independent as much as possible, and/or to forming like-minded local community.
Hello Tobin. presently one can say that the notion that money units are things of value unto themselves makes the whole process of 'computerized keeping track of everything' exponentially more difficult. So, to be clear, the money system presently requires computers to 'keep track of everything'; and this includes (because we are illiterate about the abstract representation of value) keeping track of ALL The Currency Units as though they are items of value when they cannot logically be!
I think you are making a mistake to call 'BIBO' a currency unto itself. Remember, that the MSTA is calling for a correction in the very definition of money and for the passive 'BIBO process' to be applied to Basic Bookkeeping. So, your interpretation of BIBO as a currency is off from what we are attempting to correct. The correction first involves determining that monetary units cannot BE items of value if they are going to also be Units Of Measure for the value in other things! Does this distinction ring true with you? Are you seeing that the effort of the MSTA is NOT about creating or issuing currency units or treating any unit of measure for the relation called 'value' as an item of value. Do you see how the two are mutually exclusive?
Can you see how ANY Local Community can make the exact same conceptual mistake and recreate all over the very same problem they want to avoid?
This is another common learned-helplessness fallacy of presuming that eliminating a problem produces more problems.
As a simile think of a football game. If there is a systemic error in score keeping such that the players are increasingly incited to compensate by stretching and/or breaking the rules and complicating the refereeing, how does correcting that systemic error lead to even more refereeing complications? Score keeping systems essentially are independent of how the game is played if it interferes with the game then it no longer is “score keeping”. So how does correcting money’s misrepresentation requiring Passive record keeping complicate refereeing of transactions beyond that of a system that requires non passive record keeping?
Best,
Marc
Also from The power of transaction type "a" when money is defined as only a passive record of value and not also a token of trade:
“ Conclusion:
Common every day practices in which money is conceived as both a measure of value and an article of trade of variable value, establish the circular relation where the standard unit of measure of value is also treated like an object of trade subject to “supply” and “circulation" and valued in terms of itself as if it were just another resource. As a standard measure of value it is required for all economic activity to enable the transaction of divisions of otherwise non divisible (non fungible) goods and services. But, as a commodity like resource, it must be supplied prior to any economic activity taking place. As such, it acts as a universal economic enabler and charged for at a per unit cost as if it were another industrial product. Said charges compound across value chain links and reiterations, geometrically inflating overall production costs, independently of any discretely measurable corresponding added value. This leads to a system wide instability, with the principle effect of exacerbating the demand for money beyond any supply, converting it into the most ubiquitous component of economic activity. By virtue of its universal demand, the money system interconnects all economic components into a single system of interdependency on the basis of its supply, over and beyond any non-monetary value of the corresponding goods and services. Because of this unique role as a sine-qua-non universal precursor, agents compete and/or conspire to accumulate positive balances to be exploited as economic leverage in transactions of goods and services, again independently of any non-monetary properties and virtues of these. This tendency to accumulate further exacerbates the system instability. According to fundamental control theory any unstable component of a system destabilises the behaviour of the whole system and ultimately all components are rendered unstable. Therefore it follows that individuals as components of the economy, will have their behaviour perturbed and destabilised leading to increasing otherwise unconscionable (corrupt) behaviour at all levels.
When money is formally defined as solely a record of value and used accordingly, the money system is made Passive and therefore stable, only useful as a (stable) reference of value, required for representing divisions of value of otherwise indivisible goods and services. By virtue of money acting as a stable record/measure of economic activity, it cannot precede transactions and therefore cannot serve as leverage over economic activity. Thus, money only serves to inform control of economic activity without in any way imposing limiting imperatives exogenous to real world activity.
Moreover, of the four transaction type permutations, type A transactions (positive buys from negative) serve to defuse risk in the system by reducing the total value at risk of non reciprocation and since there is no incentive to accumulate balances, there exists no bias towards type D transactions (positive buys from positive). Finally, as a Passive stable system the money system no longer can systemically destabilise (corrupt) the behaviour of its components, including individual agents i.e. you and I. “
Why would going to a passive standard increase general overall “surveillance”? What would be required to be surveilled that isn’t already be surveilled now and what we require less surveillance?
please note that I am NOT disparaging the promotion of 'local self reliance communities'. I have been actively promoting the same in my region for years. The thing is that with the centuries of brain washing most all have inherited there is a certain helplessness that I keep running into in the minds of those that truly want to get free but cannot seem to get out of the brainwashed notions in their heads about what money itself is and what it does. Those that seem to be able to get out of that matrix are TimeBank and Mutual Aid/Credit minded folk.
All the best.
Mark
p.s.
please write to Marc Gauvin and read the many articles available!
Thanks for linking to my article.
The Nazus built UFO's in the Antarctic- I saw photos in Telegram
But are you sure they built them in the Antarctic or took them there?
Erhet’s documentary (part 2 I believe) talks about the Nazi flying machines, and also about how German engineers were transferred to America (via Operation Paperclip for example) and began working on secret projects for the U.S. gov.
This is the likely source of many UFO sightings. Many of the sightings occured near U.S. militarty bases.
Psyop? High probability.
https://www.myburg.org/2020/08/berdyaev-on-dehumanization.html
The central theme of our epoch is that of all history -- the fate of man. What is taking place in the world today is not a crisis of humanism (that is a topic of secondary importance), but the crisis of humanity. We face the question, is that being to whom the future belongs to be called man, as previously, or something other? We are witnessing the process of dehumanization in all phases of culture and of social life. Above all, moral consciousness is being dehumanized. Man has ceased to be the supreme value: he has ceased to have any value at all. The youth of whole world, communist, fascist, national-socialist or those simply carried away by technology or sport -- this youth is not only anti-humanistic in its attitudes, but often anti-human. Does this mean that we should defend the old humanism against today's youth? In many of my books I have called attention to the crisis in humanism, and tried to show that it inevitably develops into anti-humanism and that its final stage is a denial of man. Humanism has become powerless and must be replaced. Humanism bound up with the renaissance of antiquity is very frail; its development implies an aristocratic social order and democracy has dealt it terrible blows, with the masses and the power of technology breaking into cultural life. The machine dehumanizes human life. Man, desiring no longer to be the image of God, becomes the image of the machine.
This is fantastic work thank you.
When talking about 'psychological frameworks' please also consider that the one we most all ignore is money itself.
However, connect these dots. We are not going to get much from our challenges of 'authority' if we do not challenge the systems they have installed.
In ancient times the temple priests told the peasantry who came to make their offerings to God that the offerings brought by the peasants were not acceptable to God. The priests told the people they needed to take the coins, that only the priests issued, and leave the Real Goods that the peasants had brought to the temple with the priests, go lay the coins on the altar because that was acceptable to God, and then go home.
The original claims of 'authority' about ‘money’ by the temple priests is where the eventual claim of authority about money by government originated.
But the claim of 'authority' is nonsense, and so is the system of money itself; since what is real is the wealth of a people, and money is made up nonsense that the people have been told is real (acceptable to god). It's a long history of lies and deception. It is like unto the miss use of genuine authority as egregious as telling kids lies!
We are not going to get out of this mess while using the very system instituted ages ago to enslave and deceive and steal.
Now every country is using this 'operating system' for control of the populace within its borders (as if that is not bad enough!) ...trouble is that the fighting between countries is so illiterate that countries are going to war over nonsense conceptual make believe!
We are killing each other over monetary illiteracy!
Let's stop this!
https://bibocurrency.com/index.php/downloads-2/19-english-root/learn/299-stop-wwiii
Marc Gauvin teaches:
“When "Christians" justify financial "planning" they often refer to 2 Corinthians 9:8: "And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work. As it is written, “He has distributed freely, he has given to the poor; his righteousness endures forever.”
But the context of 2 Corinthians 9:8-15 is to be found in:
9:10 "For God is the one who provides seed for the farmer and then bread to eat. In the same way, he will provide and increase your resources and then produce a great harvest of generosity in you."
As for "money" and getting returns on it as in financial investment Jesus tore down the money lenders tables 3 days prior to being crucified as a terrorist.
“Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:24b-25
" No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” Matthew 6:24
"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.” 1 Timothy 6:10.
“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.” 6:19-21
When asked about taxes: "Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?” 18 But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, “Why put me to the test, you hypocrites? 19 Show me the coin for the tax.” And they brought him a denarius. 20 And Jesus said to them, “Whose likeness and inscription is this?” 21 They said, “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them, “Therefore render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” 22 When they heard it, they marveled. And they left him and went away." Matthew 22:17-22
The other key point is that interest on money is considered evil throughout the Bible over and over again.
Leviticus 25:36 - Take no interest from him or profit, but fear your God, that your brother may live beside you
Ezekiel 18:8 - does not lend at interest or take any profit, withholds his hand from injustice, executes true justice between man and man,
Ezekiel 18:17 - withholds his hand from iniquity, takes no interest or profit, obeys my rules, and walks in my statutes; he shall not die for his father’s iniquity; he shall surely live.
Deuteronomy 23:19 - “You shall not charge interest on loans to your brother, interest on money, interest on food, interest on anything that is lent for interest.
So, money is not of God but of whose insignia is printed on it (Matthew 22) The riches God provides is therefore not of "money" but the productive power of nature i.e. seeds (2 Corinthians 9). We cannot serve two masters God and money (Matthew 6:24). In all finance today money is the master and "multiplying" returns is the method. But do you know how that system operates? Do you know that because of that system 0.0001% of the population or less command the resources produced by the rest of us (/99.999...%) and with that they are directly having those resources spent on wars and genocide?”
The only thing to be done is to recover our own labor, plant our own seeds, build out of the earth our earthy houses, form community with people we know and like, return to what has been lost and stolen.
The "only thing to be done" runs the risk of repetition of the same old mistakes if one does not study how all that happened.
Marc Gauvin teaches:
“The misrepresentation of money by everyone created the possibility of systemic leverage with overhead cost. That leverage then affects how and what rate real world human and material resources are used in terms of it. Individual leverage overhead cost can be transferred between system components strategically by individuals applying leverage over others but in doing so, total system leverage overhead and therefore demand for leverage increases. This is exactly what is going on.
This dynamic has been going on since before Babylon: the main difference only being the extent and homogeneity across the globe, where now it is virtually universal.
So, the problem is that humanity has come to depend on an unsustainable "system" for its survival and has lost memory of how to survive otherwise. How to fix this?
Core normative requirements:
1) The misrepresentation of money i.e. measure of value must be corrected.
2) Survival must be attained solely in real world terms and imperatives.
3) Social integration must become organically optimal and agile.
The term I would use to label this process is "frugal abundance", whereby the per capita human cost of providing abundant maximum quality of life for all individuals becomes a fraction (< 50%) of the average human cost of merely persisting in society under money's misrepresentation. This then presents a trade-off whereby resources for autonomous personal development is maximised but realised over secure high quality life support.
See linked below a key presentation summary of a fully fleshed out project to achieve critical point 1) above: “
chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.moneytransparency.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/ACSCMSTAideatoforumV3.pdf
I wrote a long reply that got erased.
Basically, I do not see Gauvn providing a solution that does not require an INCREASE in technocratic surveillance. Broad use BIBO currency, as I understand him to describe, requires computers keeping track of everything. To me that is no solution and I hope I have misunderstood.
That is why I refer to becoming independent as much as possible, and/or to forming like-minded local community.
Hello Tobin. presently one can say that the notion that money units are things of value unto themselves makes the whole process of 'computerized keeping track of everything' exponentially more difficult. So, to be clear, the money system presently requires computers to 'keep track of everything'; and this includes (because we are illiterate about the abstract representation of value) keeping track of ALL The Currency Units as though they are items of value when they cannot logically be!
I think you are making a mistake to call 'BIBO' a currency unto itself. Remember, that the MSTA is calling for a correction in the very definition of money and for the passive 'BIBO process' to be applied to Basic Bookkeeping. So, your interpretation of BIBO as a currency is off from what we are attempting to correct. The correction first involves determining that monetary units cannot BE items of value if they are going to also be Units Of Measure for the value in other things! Does this distinction ring true with you? Are you seeing that the effort of the MSTA is NOT about creating or issuing currency units or treating any unit of measure for the relation called 'value' as an item of value. Do you see how the two are mutually exclusive?
Can you see how ANY Local Community can make the exact same conceptual mistake and recreate all over the very same problem they want to avoid?
I sent your response to Marc (marc.gauvin@moneytransparency.com) and got these a back:
Hi,
This is another common learned-helplessness fallacy of presuming that eliminating a problem produces more problems.
As a simile think of a football game. If there is a systemic error in score keeping such that the players are increasingly incited to compensate by stretching and/or breaking the rules and complicating the refereeing, how does correcting that systemic error lead to even more refereeing complications? Score keeping systems essentially are independent of how the game is played if it interferes with the game then it no longer is “score keeping”. So how does correcting money’s misrepresentation requiring Passive record keeping complicate refereeing of transactions beyond that of a system that requires non passive record keeping?
Best,
Marc
Also from The power of transaction type "a" when money is defined as only a passive record of value and not also a token of trade:
“ Conclusion:
Common every day practices in which money is conceived as both a measure of value and an article of trade of variable value, establish the circular relation where the standard unit of measure of value is also treated like an object of trade subject to “supply” and “circulation" and valued in terms of itself as if it were just another resource. As a standard measure of value it is required for all economic activity to enable the transaction of divisions of otherwise non divisible (non fungible) goods and services. But, as a commodity like resource, it must be supplied prior to any economic activity taking place. As such, it acts as a universal economic enabler and charged for at a per unit cost as if it were another industrial product. Said charges compound across value chain links and reiterations, geometrically inflating overall production costs, independently of any discretely measurable corresponding added value. This leads to a system wide instability, with the principle effect of exacerbating the demand for money beyond any supply, converting it into the most ubiquitous component of economic activity. By virtue of its universal demand, the money system interconnects all economic components into a single system of interdependency on the basis of its supply, over and beyond any non-monetary value of the corresponding goods and services. Because of this unique role as a sine-qua-non universal precursor, agents compete and/or conspire to accumulate positive balances to be exploited as economic leverage in transactions of goods and services, again independently of any non-monetary properties and virtues of these. This tendency to accumulate further exacerbates the system instability. According to fundamental control theory any unstable component of a system destabilises the behaviour of the whole system and ultimately all components are rendered unstable. Therefore it follows that individuals as components of the economy, will have their behaviour perturbed and destabilised leading to increasing otherwise unconscionable (corrupt) behaviour at all levels.
When money is formally defined as solely a record of value and used accordingly, the money system is made Passive and therefore stable, only useful as a (stable) reference of value, required for representing divisions of value of otherwise indivisible goods and services. By virtue of money acting as a stable record/measure of economic activity, it cannot precede transactions and therefore cannot serve as leverage over economic activity. Thus, money only serves to inform control of economic activity without in any way imposing limiting imperatives exogenous to real world activity.
Moreover, of the four transaction type permutations, type A transactions (positive buys from negative) serve to defuse risk in the system by reducing the total value at risk of non reciprocation and since there is no incentive to accumulate balances, there exists no bias towards type D transactions (positive buys from positive). Finally, as a Passive stable system the money system no longer can systemically destabilise (corrupt) the behaviour of its components, including individual agents i.e. you and I. “
Why would going to a passive standard increase general overall “surveillance”? What would be required to be surveilled that isn’t already be surveilled now and what we require less surveillance?
Best,
Tobin,
please note that I am NOT disparaging the promotion of 'local self reliance communities'. I have been actively promoting the same in my region for years. The thing is that with the centuries of brain washing most all have inherited there is a certain helplessness that I keep running into in the minds of those that truly want to get free but cannot seem to get out of the brainwashed notions in their heads about what money itself is and what it does. Those that seem to be able to get out of that matrix are TimeBank and Mutual Aid/Credit minded folk.
All the best.
Mark
p.s.
please write to Marc Gauvin and read the many articles available!